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Open Letter to Disney -- The Disabled Person and Wait Times at Disneyland and WDW

5/31/2013

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Because of a recent, well-publicized story about people using disabled people to get better treatment at Disneyland and Walt Disney World ["Undercover at Disney: 'Deplorable' scheme to skip lines" ] the question of the length of lines and their affect on people with certain disabilities has become a hot topic of conversation.  The very nature of an amusement park as popular as the Disney parks is that they will have large crowds and long lines. These long lines can present problems with people with certain disabilities. This raises many questions. What kinds of reasonable accommodations must Disney provide to lessen the effects of the very nature of its existence – it’s popularity?  Can a patron reasonably expect to go to a park this popular and this crowded and not encounter wait times for rides longer than, say, a half hour or even longer?  Is the current system used by Disney parks fair to both disabled persons as well as abled-bodied people who have also paid for access to the park and it's rides?  In this letter, I have proposed a solution.

Disney has a system which employs the use of a Guest Assistance Card (GAC). A person with any disability can go to Administrative Services (City Hall at Disneyland) and request a Guest Assistance Card.  Many do not know that no proof of a disability is required. If you simply say, "I have a bad back", you will get one.  The Guest Assistance Card then gives you preferential line position on many of the rides. Instead of having to wait through very long line queues, the GAC holder sometimes accesses the ride much more quickly. Disney's current position is that requiring proof of a disability -- like a doctor's note -- would be discriminatory to disabled people. Even though there is some abuse of the system by non-disabled persons, it is understandable Disney solves the problem of determining the nature and complexity of each disability by taking people at their word.

Even so, not all disabled persons are alike.  Some disabilities definitely create problems for the person in regards to waiting in line.  Some do not. Related to line position is the problem of ride access.  Though Disney has made an effort to make many of the rides accessible to disabled persons, just as all disabled are not alike, all Disney rides are not alike.  For example, accessing the Mark Twain riverboat at Disneyland is quite different than access to Space Mountain. But can every disability be accommodated? As an extreme example, if my disability was, say, agoraphobia (an unreasonable fear of crowds), would I have the right to require Disneyland make everyone go away while I was there?  With all due respect to anyone who suffers from this disability, I think everyone would agree that this is not feasible and in the abstract represents the limits of individual needs and requests.  Further, there is a whole class of people who are discriminated against simply on the basis of height – little people (or dwarfs).  Contemplate the irony that none of Snow White’s friends could ride on certain rides with her.

Obviously I offer these examples almost tongue in cheek.  However, in the extreme, it does bring up the point that so many with disabilities sometimes have a hard time facing. The Americans with Disabilities Act was not designed to make sure every need of every disabled person is met at every moment by every public accommodation they encounter.  It is in force to provide reasonable accommodations, to ensure equal access, and to prohibit discrimination.  But the above example was offered to describe the limits of such protection.  Therefore, the delicate balance is somewhere between equal access and a reasonable effort by the provider of the venue or services.  Further, there are health and safety reasons for restricting access to certain people as pointed out by the height requirement. For better or worse, we often rely on our court system to split the hairs on the way specific situations affect certain individuals.  

A Possible Solution

This is an open letter to Disney proposing a solution.  Though any one solution regarding the disabled when applied to all involved – able-bodied and disabled alike – could never be perfect for everyone, I am hoping the idea I have proposed can at least inform the dialogue.  My idea is that the GAC be replaced by a card (or system) that merely represents the holder’s place in line when they present themselves to that line.  Then the disabled patron can wait elsewhere and come back when it is their turn.  A sort of “Hold-My-Place-In-Line” Card (or system).

This solves two problems; Equal Access and Line Abuse by Able-Bodied People.  First, Equal Access is guaranteed.  You receive no special advantage in line for being disabled, but you are also not unnecessarily denied access because of your disability either.  If your handicap creates problems with regard to your ability to actually stay in the line, you may wait elsewhere – somewhere more comfortable – then return to the line when it is your turn. Second, those who are tempted to abuse the system by claiming disabilities they do not have, will no longer receive any advantage for doing so.  

It has been pointed out that this proposal functions in much the same way as the Fastpass system.  The difference is that it is based on line position not on return time.  The return time would actually vary depending on the length of the line.  And the new system would apply to both regular lines as well as Fastpass lines.  This means, if you want to enter a Fastpass line you need to have both a Fastpass as well as the “Hold-My-Place-In-Line” Card.

The problem with implementing this proposal is a logistical one with several unanswered questions.  Where would the disabled patron wait?  How would they enter the line when it was their turn?  How is the position in line indicated? Would they enter through the Fastpass line on rides that have them or would they have to squeeze their way past waiting patrons in the regular line?

Though it may be easy for an outsider to suggest solutions that will eventually possibly cost Disney millions to implement, I submit the costs are already being realized and that the solution will fall somewhere in the middle of a cost/benefit ratio and doing the right thing.

The reason this proposed solution came to mind is that it actually happened for me on three occasions recently.  It was a temporary system employed for meeting characters (The Princesses, Rapunzel, and Merida) which were all receiving guests in less-than-ideal conditions until the Fantasy Faire opened.  None of the lines for these temporary character meet-and-greets could accommodate a wheelchair or ECV.  The line for the Princesses actually had steps and in order to access the meeting area, you needed to enter from the exit if you were in a wheelchair or ECV.  Both Merida’s and Rapunzel’s lines were roped off in such a way that my chair could not negotiate the line.

In all three of these cases, I was directed by the Cast Member to wait somewhere nearby.  There were two ways that the CM worked out when I could return.  One was by mutually agreeing who was just in front of us in line (i.e. the lady in the blue dress).  The other was by the CM telling me the wait time from that point was, say, 20 minutes.  When 20 minutes was up, it was then my turn.  This worked beautifully as I happened to have my twin granddaughters with me (I wasn’t there to see the princesses all by myself, after all!).  I waited at the assigned place and the girls were less restricted. They were free to move about a bit and even went to the bathroom (twice) with Nana while I waited.  In my opinion, this was quite fair.

In fact, there is presently a daily operating version of this idea at Pixie Hollow where disabled patrons are given the choice of bypassing the main queue line, but who also must wait until it is their turn.  There is a separate ADA entrance.  The Cast Member and I agreed on who I was in line next behind (i.e. the little girl in the green fairy dress) and we waited until after that party.  

If Disney were to implement this solution, it would need to solve the logistics of those entering the line when it was their turn.  Holding the particular place in line might be approached in a number of different ways.  An able-bodied person from your party could be the “Place Holder.”  If you are alone, Disney might have to assign a few “Place in Line Holders” CMs, or a baton or card could be handed to the person behind which your turn begins. Lastly, the time to return based on the length of line and current estimated wait time could be employed and no “place holder” would be necessary.

Ultimately, though the solution does require some logistics, it’s fairness to all those involved is inherent.  Those disabled patrons who have particular problems waiting in line are alleviated of that inconvenience. Able-bodied patrons, Fastpass holders, and, in fact, Disney’s Fastpass system is not undermined by an influx of unpredictable numbers of people who claim to need to wait in line less than everyone else.


Feel free to let me and Disney know what you think about the current problem and this proposed solution in the comments below.

Thanks,
Stu Haasis

[Edit] I have received comments that claim the system is already functioning as i have suggested in this letter.  I am a (very) frequent disabled visitor, and with the exception of the character meet-and-greets I mentioned, I have never encountered a ride where they employed this system. Also, as a recent LA expose' news story shows ("Disabled Tour Guides" Cheat Disneyland Parkgoers), line position is expedited frequently for those with GACs. So, if a line position return time policy is being implemented, it is not published or universal within the park(s).

Comments?

19 Comments
Jennifer
5/31/2013 05:59:15 am

Your ideas seem reasonable. Everyone wants to be treated fairly, able bodied and disabled people alike. No one should have preferential treatment who says they want to be treated equally. I think having a place holder type pass would be good.

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Stuart Haasis link
5/31/2013 06:52:42 am

Thank you Jennifer!

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Lisa link
5/31/2013 07:06:10 am

I would love for this to happen!

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Stuart Haasis
5/31/2013 07:33:06 am

Thanks Lisa! I know you have experience with this!

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Michele
5/31/2013 08:10:07 am

I think this idea merits research on Disney's part. Disney does a great job on estimating the wait time for an attraction, usually erring on the long side. I would favor the wait time option. My suggestion, develop a system similar to the FP for those with the GAC but the CM would write down the return time. Then they could wait nearby or use the restroom or shop or whatever until that time came up.

I have often visited Disneyland with my little brother who has Down Syndrome and gets very agitated when having to wait more than 30 minutes or so in any line. If the wait time is 30 minutes or less we always wait in the regular line. We try not to abuse the system. It is a privilege not an entitlement.

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Stuart Haasis
5/31/2013 08:32:29 am

Michele,
"My suggestion, develop a system similar to the FP for those with the GAC but the CM would write down the return time. Then they could wait nearby or use the restroom or shop or whatever until that time came up." That's kind of what I'm suggesting. You wouldn't necessarily get on the ride faster, but wouldn't actually have to wait in the line. This would be particularly useful in a case such as yours and your brother's. Thanks for your input.

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carlie b
5/31/2013 11:51:01 am

Brilliant. As you said, they already have the system in place. Just a little modification, and it is ready to implement.

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Stuart Haasis
6/1/2013 11:53:44 am

Thanks for your input!

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Leigh
6/1/2013 02:24:51 pm

I feel they could use they same system they have in place for the Dumbo ride & play area. They give you this little gadget much like when you go to a restaurant, and it buzzes when it's "your time to ride". Problem solved! I myself am unable to stand for too long, but I would never dream of getting a GAC card! I mean if I can ride the roller coaster I can wait in line, but sometimes I do have to sit or stretch if the line get's bad.

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Stuart Haasis
6/2/2013 02:34:08 am

Leigh,
Beautiful! I have not heard of this being used. are you talking about WDW or Disneyland? Maybe they are experimenting with new procedures.

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mimi
6/1/2013 03:01:42 pm

the system is essentially already set up this way-each time we've gotten the gac, we have been told to utilize fass pass-its up to the cm to decide if they are issuing return time (your placeholding card) or not based on the crowd level/return time/etc...but the day all of the gac people start eating into the general patronbase fast pass pool is the day they realize that they liked the old cm choice better-when its left up to the cm to decide if to just allow thru fast pass or have you come back at the appointed handwritten time-

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Stuart Haasis
6/1/2013 03:16:53 pm

Hmmmm. This is news to me and I have been a disabled patron at Disneyland for many years. No CM has ever offered a return time to me based on line position. I pretty much always have to wait in lines as normal patrons on do even though I am in a wheelchair. (e.g. Toy Story Mania). From what I gather, you are saying this is a procedure they use with the GAC without publishing it. Also, I have been told repeatedly that I do not need a GAC if I am in a wheelchair. So, if this is the "system" now, it isn't run in any official sense.

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Stuart Haasis
6/2/2013 02:37:16 am

A recent LA expose' news story shows ("Disabled Tour Guides" Cheat Disneyland Parkgoers: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/on-air/as-seen-on/209824321.html), line position is expedited frequently for those with GACs. So, if a line position return time policy is being implemented, it is not published or universal within the park(s). However, since it is apparently being used here and there, I suspect they are experimenting with procedures to prevent line abuse. Read Mimi's comment above.

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Stuart Haasis
6/2/2013 03:01:45 am

I meant Leigh's comment above. ;)

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Erik Beard link
6/20/2013 04:25:00 am

This is a very interesting post. The system you propose has recently been implemented at all Cedar Fair parks nationwide, and they have been subjected to some negative press because of it. And yet, I have heard from multiple members off the disabled community who seem to have no problem with it for much the same reasons you discuss above. I wonder how much of the negative press its simply media driven and how much is based on actual outrage over the change in policy.

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Stuart Haasis
6/20/2013 07:30:55 am

Thanks Erik. I think there is an inherent fairness to this approach for all involved. It would be hard to make a case that disabled people are being discriminated against.

I would like to know more about how it's working out at the Cedar Fair parks if you have the time.

Thanks,
Stu

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Gale
12/9/2013 08:44:02 pm

Disabilities are a wide spectrum and varied spectrum, and what you suggest which is Disney's new policy, works only for those who need it the least, those on the moderate to mild end of the disability spectrum. For those of us with kids who have only 3 hours a day to spend in a park before the pain is too excruciating to endure, this new pass isn't worth the paper it's printed on. BTDT and had to leave the park before the 90 min return time (there was no 10-15 min reduction like Disney states) Because there was still another 20-30 min in the FP line. During out wait we saw a show, and that was all the Disney my son got to do. A GAC would have meant we ride 1 or 2 things that day and then left. We buy annual passes To create accommodation and do hotel every time. Disney was the one place our son felt less disabled, and now it makes him feel like a second class citizen. Walk a day or an hour in his shoes, then tell me Disney is doing it right. I know.2 parks who outshine Disney for disability carrying and accommodation.

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Stu Haasis link
12/10/2013 01:44:36 am

Hi Gale!

Thanks for responding. Everyone needs to hear about the cases where the new DAS system is not working. The blog post you are responding to was posted well before the new DAS system was implemented and simply reflected some ideas I had about fairness and line waits. Many of us do not need to consideration you speak of in your response. For my part, I have become much more acutely aware of those for whom the new DAS system does not work. In a later blog post, I said this:

"It seems to me that the system is built on some fairness principles. For many disabled people, waiting in line is no more difficult than for others. I have always said that building a new system where there is no immediate advantage with line position would be fairer for all. But the test of the new system is, and will continue to be, how it responds for the different needs of the many different disabilities that people who attend the parks have. For many, waiting in line is very difficult. For example, those with - or have children with - autism, ADHD, etc. There are also many disabilities that are not visible like knee issues, back problems, and other fatigue issues. For these people, the system is more cumbersome than the previous system. Sadly, some disabled patrons with more extreme disabilities who previously had extra-special consideration have been disenfranchised altogether."

http://disneylandaccesstemp.weebly.com/1/post/2013/12/das-system-trip-report.html

From what I have been hearing, Disney seems to be making adjustments on a case-by-case basis. I have included information on how to contact Disney ahead of time (for Disneyland -- not sure of the contact info for WDW). When doing so, ask for an "Individualized Assessment" of your needs and ask how Disney can help you enjoy your park visit better. I have been hearing many encouraging reports that they are responding to some extreme individual needs.

It is unfortunate that we now need to be burdened with additional effort in order to regain the kind of accommodations we used to enjoy under the old GAC system. But this is now a fact of life. As always, you have a number of choices as to how you may respond. As you know already, being disabled often means you need to adapt. This seems to be one of those cases. If after having done so, you still don't feel your needs are met, you always can avail yourself of what the courts may interpret from the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) on your behalf.

With regard to the ADA, keep in mind it was not implemented so that every person with any disability can have access the way they would prefer at every opportunity. It is instead a set of principles and guides that intends to "level the playing field" for those that have disabilities in our society with those that don't. Sometimes, sadly, there will be some people who's disability will keep them from enjoying a park like Disney no matter what. In a previous blog post, I mention some extreme examples. For instance, suppose my disability is "Agoraphobia" -- a condition where the sufferer experiences anxiety when around large crowds. Should I then have the right to ask Disney to tell everyone to go away every time I want to enjoy the park? Also, consider someone who cannot even get out of a hospital bed. Should Disney be required to allow them to be wheeled about all day in that bed? Should rides be retrofitted so that the hospital bed can get on the ride? I mention these extreme examples not to be flippant or glib, but rather to demonstrate that there will be some extreme cases of disability that cannot reasonably be accommodated by certain businesses.

But even though there are occasional missteps, Disney’s actions, policies and procedures for providing access for those with disabilities generally go beyond ADA requirements.

If the old GAC system met your needs but the new DAS system does not, it seems to me you have a case for finding some alternatives that will work for you by contacting Disney directly and working out some solutions.

Contact Disneyland:

[email protected]

Guest Claims Department
P.O. BOx 3430
Anaheim, CA 92803-3430 or call
714-781-1220

Thanks again for your input and for taking the time to respond.

Stu

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Justin link
2/15/2015 04:32:00 pm

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    Stu Haasis

    A lifelong fan of all things Disney but especially Disneyland, Stu Haasis has Muscular Dystrophy and enjoys Disney Parks from the comfort of his motorized wheelchair. He combines his many years of experience in Disneyland with his Master's Degree in Psychology to write about better ways to enjoy the parks with a disability.

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